Erin Patten (00:00)
So I want to talk to you for a second, the woman who many would call successful. You've got the title, you've got the bomb resume, you're always in the room where the real decisions get made. So on paper, you built what most people only dream about, yet at the same time, nobody sees what it's costing you.
You keep choosing what's familiar over what's true, running, proving, staying one step ahead of the game, and underneath it all, quietly wondering when it finally gets to feel like enough. You already know the old way will give you the same old results, so this isn't another strategy. It's about getting clear on what comes next and finding the courage to actually lead from there.
My guest today, Celine, built her life on what many would call like a dream. And then she set it all on fire to follow her purpose, to follow what she felt like God was calling her to do. She's a master coach, a TEDx speaker, and the author of USA Today's best-selling book, The Burning Ground. Born in Rome.
raised between Italy, Brazil, and the United States. And of course, she was reshaped by 70 plus countries and the strangers who made her who she is today. So
Celine, welcome to the Meta Business Millennial Podcast. I've been waiting to chat with you and get into it today.
Celinne (01:23)
I'm so
excited. I mean, based on our how we vibe, this is bound to be real good.
Erin Patten (01:29)
period.
And I wanna just let all you women know too that Celine is such a treat. Like, I already know like y'all are out there where I did the whole intro, so we just go jump into it. So you call yourself a collector of extraordinary experiences.
But there is a version of you asking a different question. What can I achieve? So when did it become what does the soul desire to experience? And did you feel it change or notice it after?
Celinne (01:59)
Hmm. So it wasn't it wasn't, you know how people have these eureka moments where they're like, and then everything changed. it's one thing to have the eureka moment, but then it's another thing to like live up to it.
Erin Patten (02:14)
Mm-hmm.
Celinne (02:15)
And so my journey of and commitment, devotion, dedication to my evolutionary path and what I call living from soul.
and becoming a collector of extraordinary experiences is to date a decade plus old journey or young journey. it wasn't one moment, it was actually a series of moments and then falling on my face and getting back up. for me to realize that these external achievements that we are taught to strive for
the accolade, the the college, you know, you know, university degree, whatever that thing which we think gives us status only
Erin Patten (03:01)
Right.
Celinne (03:02)
pales in comparison to what is available in our internal world when we actually choose to deeply, deeply listen to
Erin Patten (03:11)
Mm-hmm,
Celinne (03:12)
our soul's calling.
Erin Patten (03:13)
yes, yes.
Celinne (03:18)
Hmm. I call there. I have more. I just wanted to give breathing room.
Erin Patten (03:18)
Did you have more? Okay. Okay. Okay. I was like,
yes. Okay, dude. I don't wanna interrupt.
Celinne (03:29)
Yeah.
Well, would you like to ask a question or would you like me to keep a clarifying? Okay.
Erin Patten (03:32)
I want you to continue because I feel like you weren't finished.
Celinne (03:35)
I wasn't finished, but for some reason I I was told to pause. So souls calling. What is that? words can only ever come close to describe it, but as you listener are
tuning in to this conversation, I'm gonna invite you to listen with your body because there are some things that I might say where the mind's like, I don't get it. I don't get what she's saying. But can you feel it? Because that's what it's that's where it starts. It starts from this, I would say discomfort. some people call it itchiness. Others call it
I feel like I'm I'm I'm stuck inside the box. They call it stuck, looping, itchiness, like the feeling of a really tight sweater that just doesn't quite fit you anymore. un unrest, discomfort are all names used to describe that feeling when we are growing out of the old identity, but we haven't quite
imagined, landed, acknowledged or recognized that there's a new one that we are transitioning into and we're being called to transition into.
Erin Patten (04:56)
Yeah.
Celinne (04:56)
And so the despair and the fear and the discomfort often comes from not acknowledging that we are actually stepping into the next chapter of who we're here to become, which is an inevitable part of evolution.
Erin Patten (05:12)
Yes.
Celinne (05:13)
And the soul's calling is exactly what the word describes. It's that deeper essence, that that genese qua, that that part of you that is intangible, unseen, eternal, that is calling you to rise into something greater than what you're currently doing. And the markers of how we know that we're there is that feeling of restlessness, lack of fulfillment.
No matter what you do externally, no matter how much you achieve, it doesn't seem to bring you the happiness, the joy, the serenity that you're looking for. And the big old trap is, well, let me just do more. Let me just achieve more. And eventually I will be successful enough. I will be acknowledged enough. I will have made enough money. I will have made enough impact that that.
discomfort inside of me will feel satiated. And the punchline is it won't. It won't unless you're addressing that internal gap that keeps widening between who you once were and who you're actually here to be on a soul level. So I will dot dot dot that and I will hand you the baton.
Erin Patten (06:29)
That part. 'Cause
I I really want to respond to that because
The identity on the other side, what we're oftentimes feeling is the fear of what is it and the fear of the unknown. I think I I I was going through this season real bad the past few months and burning down this old identity of myself. And I I wouldn't say it was even conscious. I've been doing a lot of astrological study of myself. So I believe that being able to tune in to where my South Node is and my ascendant and my north note and
These kind of other aspects of self. the in my last episode we talked about astralia as sort of the astrology as the language of energy. So really tuning into these words, these things that gave words to what I was experiencing, there was this fear, like just really like so deep fear of what was coming next. Like
And a lot of it it's about too relinquishing the control, having that surrender. And this is something that women especially are incredibly not in tune with or attuned to or have experience with because like our mothers and and our mothers before them were O C D as fuck. You know, like I just have to be real about it. Like we are just so used to controlling because of of so many factors, so many traumatic factors. We don't have to get into it all.
But being able to release that control and tr trust and being able to move into this next iteration of self requires a tremendous amount of courage. I just have
Celinne (08:09)
Hmm.
Erin Patten (08:10)
to say that.
Celinne (08:11)
The as you're speaking, the image that comes into my head is you ever play in the jungle gyms when you were a kid and you're hanging off of those rings and then you there's another ring that you gotta grab. Do you know what I I don't know what the monkey bar? Thank you. So you've got
Erin Patten (08:23)
Yeah. Yeah, not a lot. Monkey bars.
Celinne (08:28)
a monkey bar and you're hanging off of the the ring and then you're like, okay, you gotta go and you gotta reach for
Erin Patten (08:33)
Mm-hmm.
Celinne (08:34)
the next ring. And it's fun. I mean, for most people to cross the monkey bars.
is a fun and fulfilling and like exciting adrenaline inducing b like you get from A to B exercise.
Erin Patten (08:45)
Yeah.
Celinne (08:46)
Now the way a lot of people live their life is that they're on a monkey bar and they truly believe that there is the next bar is not there.
Cause there's a difference between I'm on one bar, there's another bar, and there's like an in-between thrill. This is where the adrenaline. This is the fear that keeps people stuck on the monkey bar. That,
Erin Patten (09:08)
Mm-hmm.
Celinne (09:09)
my God, what if I like reach for the next bar and I don't make it? Right? And
Erin Patten (09:12)
Nothing fair.
Celinne (09:14)
like, or like but you see it with your eyeballs. So it's
Erin Patten (09:16)
Okay.
Celinne (09:17)
not that nothing's there. You know something's there when you're in a physical monkey bar.
And you know that the thrill and the risk and the fear is that you'll reach for it and you don't grab it. And then you fall and then you fall your ass to the ground and it hurts or it's uncomfortable and it sucks.
Erin Patten (09:29)
That part. I got you. Yeah, yeah, that that happened.
Celinne (09:34)
Right. And so, but that's one thing because you're reaching for you on one monkey bar, you're reaching for the next one and you've got feelings about it.
But then, you know, if you feel confident, you'll likely reach it. And if you feel fearful, you'll likely miss it. But you know it's there. What I'm saying is that most people are living their lives like that next bar doesn't even exist. And so
Erin Patten (09:55)
Yes. Yes.
Celinne (09:57)
that fear, that like, my God, what if I don't make it? becomes it it instead of being like a three out of 10 of like, then I just get up and I do it again.
You know, maybe maybe a little bruise on my ass, but I'm just gonna get up and I'm gonna try that again. It
Erin Patten (10:12)
Yeah.
Celinne (10:13)
becomes like a 10 out of 10 existential. I'm gonna die. eventually
Erin Patten (10:17)
Yes.
Celinne (10:18)
my arms my arm's gonna give out on this bar. I'm getting tired, I'm getting exhausted, I'm getting burned out. Eventually my arm's gonna give out. And when that happens, I'm gonna die. I'm gonna fall to my death. And this
Erin Patten (10:28)
Yes, I'm gonna fall to my death. Yes.
Celinne (10:31)
is how most people relate.
Erin Patten (10:34)
Yes, yes.
Celinne (10:34)
To the unknown and the mystery of their life. And
that enormous fear that keeps people hanging on for dear life to that monkey bar is exactly the fear that prevents them from moving towards their destiny. And that fear is a lack of trust that that monkey bar is there, even
Erin Patten (10:53)
Mm-hmm.
Celinne (10:54)
if you can't see it. If you are blindfolded and I put you in a monkey bar, does that mean the next monkey bar is not there? Or does it mean you can't see it?
So this is the path. And a lot of people just they're too afraid to even recognize that one, there's a threshold. And then number two, there is another metaphorical monkey bar that's waiting. And what if that monkey bar is better than the one that you are on? What if it's an upward climb towards something greater? And so
Erin Patten (11:20)
There it is. Yes. Yes.
Celinne (11:23)
it's a complete lack of trust, it's a lack of faith, and it's an over-exaggeration of the fear and a complete focus on
death and what is missing rather than what can be created if you let go and know that in that moment there's gonna be a microsecond when you're in the air and you're in between states, you're in between identities and you're and it could go wrong and it could go right. The that moment of risk can be mitigated through mindset. It can be mitigated through emotional regulation. It can be mitigated through wisdom. But it's nevertheless there.
And we will have to face it again and again on the path to our growth and evolution.
Erin Patten (12:06)
And I before I move on, I just wanna say one more thing about that. Because you when you gave the kind of visual of the monkey bar, the next bar being even higher than the next one potentially, it's actually in that monkey bar, the the one before, where you're building the muscle to reach for that higher one. And I think that's too where people
feel like have that fear of dying. It's just like, I don't even have the skills to deal with what I'm, you know, experiencing right now. But we we don't realize it's that's the pruning and that's the creation. And that's and I call it the metaphysical muscle that's being built that will actually prepare you for that next, you know, bar, that next goal or that next identity or that next level, if you will. And so I think
Celinne (12:47)
Mm-hmm.
Erin Patten (12:48)
that that's really this is really good.
Celinne (12:50)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. In the shamanic traditions, there's a phrase that says, every day is a good day to die.
Erin Patten (12:56)
Mm-hmm.
Celinne (12:56)
Because that there's an understanding that death is actually awakening to our own when we're awakened to the fact that we die every day.
then we are actually able to awaken to higher and higher states of consciousness because death is part of the process. And to be able to let go of who we used to be and to allow things to die, whether it's an identity, it's conditioning, even a person, is is actually what allows us to grow.
Erin Patten (13:25)
Yeah.
Celinne (13:26)
and so there is actually technically nothing to fear. But we believe there is.
Erin Patten (13:32)
Yes. Yes, girl. Yes. I want to get to the burning ground. So the book opens
Celinne (13:39)
It's yeah.
Erin Patten (13:40)
on a woman living inside a life that she no longer fits in. Okay, this is so perfect. What was the moment you couldn't unknow anymore? The one that sent you couch surfing for nine months across the world.
Celinne (13:54)
Mmm, yeah. So I share the full story in my book. but there was a moment where I was about three years into this numb like I'm I'm looking for the the words are finding me. relentless, monotonous cycle of living.
Erin Patten (14:20)
Mm-hmm.
Celinne (14:20)
Where I was just waking up.
At the same time, going to the gym, going to work, going home, and not really feeling like I was going anywhere other than repeating the same thing that I was the day before. Like a groundhog day, thank you. And
Erin Patten (14:34)
Like a groundhog day. I love that.
Celinne (14:38)
a few years into this, there was a little voice in the back of my head that said was asking, like, is this all there is? Is this all there is? Is there more? Like, or am I here?
Does change? Like I, you know, people listening either have likely gone through this or are maybe perhaps even going through this right now. And that small voice at the time, I did not prioritize. it was not a leading voice in my head. It was the one that I pushed down first so that I can continue to have my horses blinders on and do what I was there to do, which was work.
my way towards a promotion, live in a prestigious city, make enough money so that I could live in the better part of town and all that jazz, like that I felt I needed
Erin Patten (15:26)
Yeah.
Celinne (15:28)
to do in order to qualify for quote unquote good life.
Erin Patten (15:31)
Yeah.
Celinne (15:32)
and as you know, God Source Universe loves to do, when we are stuck in the rut of our behavioral patterns and conditioning, soul.
has way of inviting us to awaken. And it starts with little nudges. And if you don't listen, it starts to become hard shoves, the so-called crises of life that really push us into awakening and realizing that life is short, that there's other things to do, and that we are meant for more. So many times when you hear
leaders, incredible stories that that have you just on the edge of your seat. the the quintessential heroes journey, let's say, you hear people talking about that moment, the breakdown breakthrough moment.
Erin Patten (16:27)
Yes, yes.
Celinne (16:30)
And mine came in the form of a series of events, which I share about in the book, coming into my life and you know, it which looked in the form of me taking
Trip to Cambodia, which really broke my heart and awakened me to the calamities and the gravity of the calamities that were happening in in the world.
Erin Patten (16:53)
I'll just say.
Celinne (16:54)
yeah, yeah. And it my grandfather's death happened the same week and then I came back. I didn't get the promotion I wanted. I got broken up with on my birthday by my ex boyfriend. it was just like so much chaos that occurred in my life in a very like a two month window.
And for the first time in my life, instead of asking why is this happening to me, it dawned on me to ask, could this be happening for me?
Erin Patten (17:23)
Yes.
Celinne (17:24)
And when I got that question in my head, I couldn't, it started to haunt me. And
Erin Patten (17:30)
Hmm.
Celinne (17:32)
as I began to interface with yet another financial issue or another relational issue or a job at work, I couldn't.
Like I got obsessed with like what if this is happening for me? And this is before any spiritual teachings. Back then there wasn't a bunch of spiritual influencers
that I could like the content I could consume on Instagram. I was hardly on
Erin Patten (17:51)
Yeah. Yeah.
Celinne (17:55)
Instagram. It was literally something that blossomed from within me. And as I began to ask this question again and again and again and again, it became clear to me that if I continued to live the life that I was
on track for, I would die inside. It was very clear. This is death. This is the path to soul death.
Erin Patten (18:12)
Yes, yes, yes.
Celinne (18:18)
And I knew that I wanted to live. And so it started like that was really the turn the the the point. It wasn't necessarily like a a exact precise moment, but it was a series of moments that had me
Be like, I can't do this life. I need to find something better. There must be something better. I don't know what that is, but I'm willing to do whatever it takes. I'm willing to put my ass on the line for me to find out. So what is it that I need to do for me to change my life? And when I began to ask that question internally, the world began to meet me externally and it started to deliver the people, encounters, circumstances, accidents.
that I needed in order for me to awaken to what the right path was for me, what we call synchronicities started to occur in my life. And I
Erin Patten (19:12)
Yes. Yes.
Celinne (19:14)
couldn't began to follow them with the intention to change my life and find that which lit my soul on fire.
Erin Patten (19:24)
I love everything you just said because it means deeply resonates with me. I had a very similar experience. And the fact that you had the the inner knowing, which our soul always does, to just be like, could this be happening for me? Like that right there is the moment.
And then to be able to follow that thread, you know, because it it is always kind of like a whisper. And for all of you who are listening to, it's just like wherever you are in your journey, if it's, you know, you're older, you're younger, you're in the middle of it, you're after it, in it. If you're hearing a calling to do something or to or you you need to follow it. And I I have to say, like from in my case, it was very similar in that I was in a really
Toxic relationship, living in Detroit.
working my ass off at and a new company that I had founded and had given this man who was living oop off me with me 50% of the company and it was a hair product company. He was bald was based off my hair story. It was all the wrong things. And then my dad unexpectedly passed away and then one of my best friends who was my roommate got murdered. And then so it was just like all these things that were happening. And I was and I had the same thought. I was like, if I stay in this situation, I'm
He's
gonna kill me is like what I literally said. And I had to listen to that and immediately jumped shit. Like I'd literally just left Detroit. I left him in my condo in my condo that I was paying the mortgage for. He was like I said, I just left everything and just moved home to be with to tell I always say I would take care of my mom, but it I needed to take care of my damn self, you know, and
Celinne (21:09)
Mm-hmm.
Erin Patten (21:09)
so I a hundred percent resonate with that. And I wanna
Go to a next piece around you write sometimes that ambition is a clean word for avoidance and stability a clean word for fear, because this is kind of like what we were coming out of. And which of those two was yours and how long did it take you to admit it?
Celinne (21:33)
You know, of all the things in my quote in my book, this is the most quoted one. And it makes when
Erin Patten (21:39)
Really?
Celinne (21:41)
I write you know, when I wrote the book, I just wrote it. And it's it's a very interesting feeling to when people quote me, 'cause I'm like, I thought that? Well obviously I did
Erin Patten (21:49)
Yeah. Yeah.
Celinne (21:52)
for whatever reason. And it's even more fascinating to me w that the specific the what gets chosen to be discussed. So it
Erin Patten (22:01)
Yes.
Celinne (22:01)
Tell me more. It was instability is the clean word 'cause
Erin Patten (22:04)
Ambition
is a clean word for avoidance, which I really love. And I'm and maybe I can add my own flavor to that because men do this so well. Cause and I'm in the dating world, but they always like I'm really focused on my career. I'm really focused on making money. But it's like, but you have this beautiful woman here who if you just showed me love and attention, likely that money and that success will fall in your lap without you having to do shit, you know, because that's what the woman does for the man for the masculine.
Celinne (22:31)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny because I I have
Erin Patten (22:34)
Yeah.
Celinne (22:38)
no idea where in the book I wrote that, but I know what I obviously I know what I mean.
Erin Patten (22:42)
Yeah.
Celinne (22:44)
so a lot of times when we are in the pursuit of that which our heart desires, the ego will create a lot of contraptions.
to hold on to its identity, right? It looks
Erin Patten (22:59)
Yeah.
Celinne (23:00)
like coping mechanisms,
Erin Patten (23:02)
Yes.
Celinne (23:04)
thought forms, belief systems of like how do I stay in the current identity that I have devised, which is so not a match for your heart's desires, because if it was a match, you get who you are, not what you're doing. Right. And so who you are is the match for what you have. And
If your heart's desire is right now not being represented in your life in your external reality, it means that who you be in this moment is not a match for that. Not because you can't have
Erin Patten (23:34)
Yeah.
Celinne (23:34)
it, but because there's thought forms, behavioral patterns that need to shift in order for you to become a natural organic match who just has that thing. And
Erin Patten (23:44)
Yeah.
Celinne (23:44)
now what I notice is that people use very noble sounding words and even you know values.
To be able to justify to themselves why they don't have the thing they want. And so one of
Erin Patten (23:59)
Mm.
Celinne (23:59)
the things, obviously I said ambition, another super sexy word is freedom, right?
Erin Patten (24:05)
Mm.
Celinne (24:06)
it's like, I'm and this also shows up very frequently in in the dating world and all of the issues that are that come with it, which is but I wanna be free.
I want to be, I'm ambitious. I'm an ambitious person. I have to fill my life with these things so that I can pursue my ambition. And a lot of times we create setups for ourselves where the very thing that we think that we want is actually then we're pursuing through our current identity actions, is the thing that's keeping us from having the thing we say we want.
Erin Patten (24:40)
Mm-hmm.
Celinne (24:41)
And so even when we talk about like freedom, what does that even mean? There's freedom too.
Which is freedom to live your mission, to live your dreams, to to have a f the future that you desire. And then there's freedom from, which is running away from that which you don't want to deal with anymore. Both can be called freedom, but they're different textures of freedom. Or the quintessential,
Erin Patten (25:02)
Yes.
Celinne (25:03)
like, I want to be free. And so you don't take on any commitment. So you're a non-committal person. But
Erin Patten (25:08)
Yes.
Celinne (25:09)
the thing is that freedom is achieved through commitment. The the freest
Erin Patten (25:13)
Period.
Celinne (25:14)
people that I know are
deeply devoted to their path of freeing themselves, their soul, like emotionally. They're they're disciplined. And
Erin Patten (25:21)
They're disciplined. Mm-hmm.
Celinne (25:24)
even if we talk about material wealth, their systems that were put in place, there were structures, their commitments that were put in place in their investments and in the way that they structure their business that grant them the freedom.
Erin Patten (25:41)
Yes.
Celinne (25:41)
The freedom was actually accessed through the commitment.
Erin Patten (25:45)
Mm-hmm.
Celinne (25:46)
And so even with the piece around ambition, and this was my journey as well, I'm so ambitious. So I'm going to do all these things.
Erin Patten (25:53)
Yes.
Celinne (25:54)
But what I have found, at least in my experience now, I'm still I still would classify myself as an ambitious woman. But I actually believe and have witnessed that the things that I most feel ambitious about, I best achieve when I slow my life enough down.
To really be able to maximize the quality of each of my actions so that they actually go towards the thing I'm ambitious about instead of me being spinning my wheels because I'm anxious about what I want to achieve. And therefore
Erin Patten (26:22)
Yes.
Celinne (26:23)
I continue to engage in old behavioral patterns that keep me running in circles and not advancing. Rather than the more productive thing to do, which is slow down enough and work out the things that are keeping me looping and actually take one super action in a day that would move me forward instead of.
20 little actions that keep me busy. So
Erin Patten (26:43)
Yes.
Celinne (26:43)
things like the texture of that is the ways we fool ourselves
Erin Patten (26:47)
Mm-hmm.
Celinne (26:48)
with our words and with our values and the nobility through which they represent, and we're not actually being honest with
the truth
Erin Patten (26:55)
Mm-hmm.
Celinne (26:55)
of where we're at and what it is that we want to desire, so often actually requires us to do the opposite of what our default thinking mechanism is asking of us.
Erin Patten (27:05)
Yes. And the key in all that, and you named it, was the is is the ego. And I wanna just speak to that for a second because there's so much talk around the ego and particularly in a negative way, like ego death or you know, squashing the ego and all these things. And I want people to realize that what they're doing with it in this egoic behavior per se is
or was designed to make you safe and make you feel secure. You know, that stability as fear essentially is what it becomes. Because we've gotten, like you said, so conditioned in this behavioral pattern that we want to be able to to watch the ego. So if you're saying like how do I even change this behavior, you know, like just first start by watching it and seeing like how do I respond in these situations?
Why am I doing the things that I do? Really get curious about yourself. And I think that that to me is what really has served me well in this season and that I was going through a s hell of a time. And just really getting curious about the emotions, getting curious about
Celinne (28:10)
Yeah.
Erin Patten (28:10)
my responses, getting curious about my actions and knowing that this is not me. I actually
Celinne (28:16)
Mm-hmm.
Erin Patten (28:17)
could see myself talking in my head and being like, that's not even my my thoughts, but I'm gonna go ahead and let her talk.
I'm gonna go on here
Celinne (28:24)
Yeah.
Erin Patten (28:24)
and let her go off. Like I go for all these two two-hour walks, and I'd just be ranting in my head. I'd be so angry at things. And I would just be like, let her, let her cook, you know, just let her talk. Because that is not me. That's not me. But for some reason, she hasn't had this voice. She hasn't hasn't had this space. She hasn't, she wants to communicate in this way. Let her do it.
And that is the the work sometimes I think that we don't allow ourselves the space to to see ourselves in that way. And I'll and I'll
Celinne (28:55)
No
Erin Patten (28:55)
just leave it there 'cause I feel like you may have more to say about that.
Celinne (28:59)
So my challenge for you when you as I'm share you're sharing is what if it if that is you?
But it's the part of you that's been underrepresented. It's the part of you that was getting shut down when you were in the relationship with that man. The
Erin Patten (29:11)
That part. Yes.
Celinne (29:13)
part that just kept sh getting shoved into the little corner. And
Erin Patten (29:16)
Yes.
Celinne (29:17)
now she can't get be shoved into the little corner anymore. Because for you to actually step into that next evolution of you, she needs
to
Erin Patten (29:24)
Yeah.
Celinne (29:24)
come with you. Not nobody gets left behind. No parts of us get
Erin Patten (29:27)
That part.
Celinne (29:27)
left behind.
Erin Patten (29:28)
That part.
Celinne (29:29)
And you know,
w what what feels really alive as you're sharing, and this is something I go through this you know, when when when people come to me to do this work and it in as clients, so often they are really at that brink. They're literally at the edge of the bi the the cliff and they wanna jump and they wanna jump and they've been negotiating with themselves to jump for years, if not decades, sometimes. But they won't do it because they don't believe that a net is going to appear.
Erin Patten (29:56)
Mm-hmm.
Celinne (29:57)
And so they come to me looking for that net. Perhaps I can be the one that holds the net, which I do, but that's that's not it's really about the the for them, it's about understanding that if you jump, we're not jumping and abandoning like all the the part of you that is in a toxic relationship right now with in in your marriage. Like we're not abandoning the part of you that wants out of your business.
We're not like jumping and then all those parts get lift hanging get left hanging on the cliff to die and starve out. Right. Like it's not actually how it works. We need to take all parts of us with us. But what does change is which part of you is in the driver's seat and who's in the back seat. Who's in the you know, there's a a book I really love. It's called The Dark Side of the Light Chasers. I might be
Debbie, I just want to credit her, but if I messed up her book title, then I'm sorry, Debbie. but she talks about like the bus with all of our of our parts, and we have this bus, and then there's like the part of us that fat shames us, or the part of us that like tells us we're not enough. Like all those parts belong on the bus.
Erin Patten (31:07)
Yeah.
Celinne (31:07)
And part of our process of really integrating our shadows and being able to step into more of our light is to be able to like everyone gets to be on the bus and also.
There's rules like we're not gonna throw shit around, we're not gonna be screaming at each other, nobody's getting nobody's getting thrown out. But we all need to get along and and be able to communicate with each other. Because
Erin Patten (31:29)
Yes.
Celinne (31:29)
all of those parts of us, when we actually shine light on them, has wisdom. I mean, the part of you that like wouldn't stop talking, the part of you that needs to cook, like, she has grievances to air out, but what's the wisdom that she has for you?
Erin Patten (31:43)
Yes.
Celinne (31:44)
You know, what's the what is it that she really needs you to hear? Because underneath that complaint is a desire always. So
Erin Patten (31:49)
Yes, yes.
Celinne (31:50)
if we can actually listen to the complaint as a top layer and understand that underneath that there's a desire for you. What is it that is being desired for you and your greatness by that part? Then we actually start to rearrange our internal architecture so that all of our voices have space or space for.
And also their grievances and their complaints are signals that underneath there is a desire and a wisdom that wants to be expressed in your life in this moment.
Erin Patten (32:24)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Yes.
And I actually couldn't hear that desire until she had her moment. It would it couldn't even be revealed to me until she was seen. And so
Celinne (32:36)
Yeah.
Erin Patten (32:37)
and so I really am really encouraged anyone like we were talking about in that it's in this space to allow that because they allow that ego nature that we sometimes feel like needs like needs to be hanging on the cliff, like leave it over there. Like like
Celinne (32:51)
Mm-hmm.
Erin Patten (32:51)
you said, bring her on the bus. She getting into come on girl, let's go.
Celinne (32:56)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Erin Patten (32:56)
We hear you,
you can keep talking, just go ahead and sit back there. Drink some water.
Celinne (32:59)
We're here. Yeah, and you know, Aaron, something
that also comes alive as you're sharing, which is one of the greatest obstacles that I have observed in this work that keeps people from making that next big leap towards their destiny, their greatness, is the shame. And I just wanna address that because even as we're talking, as I'm sharing these pieces,
I wanna clarify that the texture of what I'm saying, and this is you know, again, clients come to me sometimes like, I don't wanna burn it all down. And in the burning ground, in my book, The Burning Ground, I burned it all down. I did. I did do that. But I went through that initiation so that I could understand what it's like to burn it all down, but I could also understand what it's like to transition gracefully. So I've got both in my repertoire, and a lot
Erin Patten (33:50)
Yes.
Celinne (33:52)
of people are afraid that if I am to change my life significantly,
I need to like set everything I currently have into a dumpster fire. And like that's gonna be really painful. I'm gonna
Erin Patten (34:03)
Yeah.
Celinne (34:04)
lose all my money. I'm gonna like d dramatically have to get divorced. And there's nothing right or wrong with any sides of the spectrum, but I wanna very
Erin Patten (34:11)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Celinne (34:13)
clearly state that you don't have to aggressively burn down your old life in order for you to transition into the new. And a lot
Erin Patten (34:22)
Yeah.
Celinne (34:22)
of what I'm saying is not a off switch on switch. It's not a
give it all away, quit your job tomorrow, move across the world. and if you don't do that, you won't drastically change your life situation. It's more a how can we start to bring our consciousness, our awareness, and devote it to the destiny that we are creating
Erin Patten (34:48)
Mm.
Celinne (34:48)
rather than dump it into the old inherited story that has you up until this point cycling
Erin Patten (34:55)
Yeah.
Celinne (34:56)
in the old
Way of doing things.
Erin Patten (34:58)
Yes.
Celinne (34:58)
So, how do we shift our attention to go into the creation of our life? At least what I tell my clients is 51% or more of the time, and you already have momentum. If 51% of the time you are investing in the new creation in the soul story, you are already moving towards your destiny,
Erin Patten (35:20)
Absolutely.
Celinne (35:21)
as opposed to giving energy.
To the old stories or letting that part of you, you know, like for example, that part of you, you listening to that part of you and you continuing to ruminate in the complaints and just getting stuck in that top layer, is you reinvesting in the old story.
Erin Patten (35:37)
Yes.
Celinne (35:37)
But you being like, go get on the bus, I hear you. Here's the complaint. What's the desire underneath? Okay, thank you. Let me act on it, is you voting
Erin Patten (35:44)
Yeah. Yes.
Celinne (35:46)
towards your future, the soul
Erin Patten (35:48)
Mm-hmm.
Celinne (35:48)
story of your future. So, so it can be very soft.
And with consistency and dedication, one year from now, your life can look completely different and I know it can.
Erin Patten (36:02)
And it will. It will absolutely.
That is so good. Okay. That is beautiful. Okay, so.
I
want to talk a little bit about what the body knew because we've talked a lot about some of the other deeper stuff with the burning ground, but I really want to talk about your healing journey because you said you cleared three infections doctors said could take years. And you said it was the first time you watched your work rewrite your own blood, right?
Celinne (36:34)
Mm.
Erin Patten (36:35)
So, what did the illness come to teach you?
Celinne (36:39)
Mm, mm.
Erin Patten (36:43)
And this
is for women out there who may be struggling with autoimmune, who may be struggling with illness. Like my mom too, I've always looked at what she's going through as temporary as well. So these are for women specifically who are going through something, a challenge where doctors are saying one thing, but they really feel called to to believe
Celinne (37:00)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Erin Patten (37:01)
another.
Celinne (37:02)
Mm-hmm. And as I answer this question, Aaron, please link to this episode because I think anyone who wants to go deeper into the podcast episode about
Erin Patten (37:12)
Yeah.
Celinne (37:12)
there's a whole podcast episode that I've done where I brought in my doctor and we talked about yeah, I don't know if you yeah. So so there's a whole episode on how I clear
Erin Patten (37:17)
me this. You tell me this, yeah.
Celinne (37:22)
tick borne diseases from my system, something that usually takes years and years. We cleared everything a hundred percent.
within eighteen months and I talk about like the nuances if for anyone who wants to go down that rabbit hole if they do.
Erin Patten (37:34)
Mm-hmm.
Celinne (37:34)
but here's what it what I can share now.
When I say what it's a p what if it's happening for you and not
to you.
The roots through which this philosophy take place for me are so deep and they're so proven again and again and again in not just in what I guide my clients through, but in my life. My life is the first place laboratory where I test these principles and these ways of being.
And what I can share with you is that multiple times in my life I was trialed, or I don't love to use that word because I don't believe the universe actually tests you, but I trialed myself, I would say, to really test out how deep this this runs, this belief system runs. And the first couple of times where I struggled with serious
disease that got me in the hospital. I kind of got it, but I didn't I but I was too wrapped in the pain and the physical emotional pain in the in the story, in the victim story, that I wasn't f really able to extract that lesson. But what happened a few years ago is after years and years and years and years and years and years of struggling with my health and not being able to like find what the heck the answer was.
Turns out I did not only have Lyme disease, but I also had two other tick-borne illnesses that were quite strong that attacked the nervous system, autoimmune, all that jazz.
Erin Patten (39:17)
Mm-hmm.
Celinne (39:18)
And I decided this time, like, what if I actually begin to interface with disease as a teacher? Like from the gecko, what if I begin to stop?
treating it as something that identifies it and stop telling everybody about it and writing stories on Instagram about how I have it and how hard it is for me and how it's affecting me. you know and I see this so often like disease becomes an identity.
Erin Patten (39:53)
Yeah.
Celinne (39:53)
And I was really wary of that. And what if I begin to interface with this entity as if it's my friend and it's come into my body
Erin Patten (40:02)
Yeah.
Celinne (40:05)
To teach me a lesson very viscerally. So
Erin Patten (40:08)
Yeah.
Celinne (40:09)
I began a process that most people like I couldn't even talk about it, to be honest, Erin, because most people would get so triggered by how I was talking about the quote unquote disease. like a lot of people, especially people who they themselves have had disease, and understandably so, like I'm not saying they shouldn't have thought it that way, but I'm also saying this was my reality, it was it's my body.
It's how I am choosing to engage with the thing that was like affecting my body. So the the same way that someone has the freedom to say, this is impacting me and it's so hard and it's so difficult, and they're fully entitled to have these very, very challenging experiences and beliefs. I too am entitled to the experience of this fucking sucks and it's affecting my nervous system and my entire skin was like full of acne and it sucks so bad. But like I was excited to actually
learn what this had to teach me. It was really hard. then, you know, I had
Erin Patten (41:05)
Yes. Yeah. What a reframe.
Celinne (41:09)
like antibiotics. I threw up like like explosive diarrhea. Like it's like it's not like I was having a walk in the park. It was physically incredibly challenging for me.
Erin Patten (41:18)
Yeah.
Celinne (41:19)
incredibly expensive, incredibly taxing on the nervous system, on the my mental body, the emotional body, on the physical body, you name it. but I went on this incredible journey with all three.
Of these tick borne diseases. And as I share in the podcast, that there was a very direct inquiry that I had with my doctor, who I explicitly chose because she was on the train with me. She was not like, Celine, you're crazy. Like I chose she was actually one of my former clients. Funny enough. My doctor was used to be one of my clients, so she knew me very well from that perspective. And I chose her to lead me through this process because I knew.
That she would understand, she understood that my stuff works because it worked on her. So I was like, I need you to take what I the way that I was hard on a hard ass on you, and the ways that I drew the line and the ways that I contained you. I need you to do that for me. And I need you to hold up a real crystal clear mirror and do not waver and do not put it down because I am here to practice what I preach. And so I went into this journey and and I learned so.
much about my body that no book, no Joe Dispenza seminar, no freaking like expert talking about disease and cellular regeneration and how your emotions affect your body. Like all of that material that I've read, I understood through the process of actually deeply learning how to deeply, deeply listen to my body. And
Erin Patten (42:47)
Mm-hmm.
Celinne (42:48)
there was moments, Aaron, where you know my my doctor would put me, there was hard decisions that I had to make because I was like, I want to go through a naturopath route.
But I also feel like I need an I need help. I need antibiotics. And that was hard, like that in itself. It's like things like choosing to go on the antibiotics route, intuition. And the moment I was done with it, I was like, I'm done with it. Put me back on naturopath route. And there
Erin Patten (43:10)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Celinne (43:12)
were moments where my doctor would put me on certain supplements or certain medications. And intuitively, I'd be like, I'm done. And then we would have a blood test and it would confirm that I was indeed done. But I knew.
when I was done with a certain medication. I knew when a disease cleared my system before the lap test came back. I
Erin Patten (43:32)
Mm-hmm.
Celinne (43:35)
remember when when I felt in my body, I was like, my contract my my soul contract with Lyme is done. I'm complete. I knew it because of an experience
Erin Patten (43:41)
Mm, mm.
Celinne (43:45)
that I had with it. And then my doctor was like, all right, let's test it out. Four weeks later the test was clear. But I knew that it was clear. And so
Erin Patten (43:50)
Mm. Love that.
Celinne (43:53)
this taught me over and over and over again
I learned number one that I could trust my body.
Erin Patten (44:00)
Yes.
Celinne (44:00)
I could trust her wisdom. if I was deeply listening to my intuition, I would know which medication to take, which supplement to take. And I wanna, you know, this is not medical advice that that was my choice. And I
Erin Patten (44:16)
Yeah.
Celinne (44:17)
also used science to support it wasn't just me blindly intuiting, although there's a pathway for that as well.
Erin Patten (44:25)
Right.
Celinne (44:26)
But I the science taught me that I could trust myself.
Erin Patten (44:30)
Yes.
Celinne (44:31)
Because nine times out of ten, I just knew before the the test came back. And so, and working with it as an ally for my greatness, it forged me, it changed me to and I believe I healed much, much, much faster. I mean, my my doctor was literally like, I have never seen this in in in the time frame that we did it.
I have not seen anyone clear it like that. so she was shocked. I was shocked, but I do believe that when we begin to see everything that happens in our life as the raw material, the alchemist material for our greatness and that which our soul has put in front of us so we could forge, so we could grow, so we could expand. And then we just teach ourselves to see it all that way.
It changes the way that we relate to life. And even
Erin Patten (45:29)
Yeah.
Celinne (45:30)
when there's a tragedy in place, which there's no magic wand to take the grief away.
Erin Patten (45:37)
Yeah.
Celinne (45:37)
There's no magic wand to make it less painful when someone you absolutely love and adore passes away. for example, or
Erin Patten (45:46)
Yeah.
Celinne (45:46)
when you are being faced with a disease that feels permanent or that feels like it's going to completely take away certain freedoms that you have in your life, which it might.
Erin Patten (45:55)
Yes.
Celinne (45:56)
So I'm not saying some of sometimes it I could have easily just had it for another ten years. Right.
Erin Patten (46:04)
Yeah.
Celinne (46:05)
So I don't have the answer in terms of like how it can magically go away, but I do know that how we choose to relate to that which challenges us in life completely changes our experience of that life.
Erin Patten (46:20)
You
answered the question beautifully, first of all, because it was about what it did teach you. And you just did a whole masterclass and six minutes around what it taught you. Probably
Celinne (46:30)
Yeah.
Erin Patten (46:32)
less than. And and I could not agree more. And I I hope that people that are listening to this, if they made it this far, can certainly take away and understand certainly what you've shared around.
That everything in our life is here for us to teach us every challenge, every trial, every dis ease, every death, every grieving moment, every abandonment, every everything.
including of course the good things too, the amazing things, every birth and marriage and celebration and promotion and bus and launch and, you know, goal kicked. You know, all those things are here to teach us. And and I really hope that as women
'Cause most of my listeners are women, that we can really learn to lean into these emotions and and see them as our teachers and see them as our friends that we're just we're all in the caravan together, like let's ride, you know, we ride now together. Because the emotions, the energy and motion is that which gives us life and breath and why why our soul chose to incarnate in this body. Because, you know, as souls, as
As bodiless beings, we can't feel in the same way. And so the body is here to actually give us that that gift of of of feeling. And for so long we've been taught to to numb it and to not listen to it and to ignore it and to judge it. And now is the time to to feel it. And I and sometimes disease comes in our life.
it like it has for my girl Celine here so that she can really feel her body so deeply that even on a cellular molecular level she's able to be like I'm good you know so that is the work and so cheers to you cheers to you
Celinne (48:29)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Erin Patten (48:32)
And so I want to start
to to wrap it up a little bit. And I have what I call the lightning round. And so I'm gonna ask you a series of questions and you give me just like one to few words answers. Okay. So the first one is the country that rearranged something in you, what's the first one that comes to mind?
Celinne (48:52)
Mm, Morocco.
Erin Patten (48:54)
Morocco. Ooh. What city?
Celinne (48:58)
none. I did a w did a road trip. Many many of them. Specifically
Erin Patten (49:01)
okay. Okay, just many of them, all of them, okay.
Celinne (49:06)
the Saharan Desert. If you need a specific point on the
Erin Patten (49:08)
Okay, the Saharan Desert. Rearranged
her. Okay, a word in another language that English can't hold.
Celinne (49:17)
Saudadie. Do you know that one? We
Erin Patten (49:18)
Saudade. Yes!
Celinne (49:23)
gotta we gotta we gotta give a few a little bit of some people oranges. Saudaji is a is a Portuguese word. I'm half Brazilian.
Erin Patten (49:31)
Mm-hmm.
Celinne (49:32)
it is a word for longing, missing someone. It is is a sacred word of missing
Erin Patten (49:35)
Yes, yes, yes.
Celinne (49:40)
I it's not I miss you. It's like I miss you. I yearn for you. I long for you, even
Erin Patten (49:43)
Yes. Yes.
Celinne (49:45)
if you're right next to me.
Erin Patten (49:46)
Yes. Yes. I that is a real thing. Cause people will say it and you'll be right there with them and people will say it to you. So yeah. Yeah, that's I love that you said that.
Celinne (49:55)
Yeah. Yeah.
Erin Patten (49:59)
the last thing that made you feel truly alive.
Celinne (50:07)
my first answer's every day. I feel truly alive. this the this morning when I know exactly. This morning I was I walked across the living room and I saw my partner like outside the window. There's a porch and he's just reading his book.
And it's a beautiful sunny day. And I'm and it's I'm just seeing him through the glass of the front living room. And
Erin Patten (50:35)
Yeah.
Celinne (50:36)
he's just a man who reads his book in the morning. And I thought, wow, I love him. I literally
took a picture and I sent it to everyone who would care to know that I love him. Seeing him in his
Erin Patten (50:51)
This is my mail, y'all.
Celinne (50:54)
No one's watching. This is who I am essence. Made it made me feel live.
Erin Patten (50:57)
I love that. I love that.
Celinne (51:00)
Mm-hmm.
Erin Patten (51:02)
One thing you believed at 25 that you've since burned.
Celinne (51:10)
It's good.
The thing that comes through is that life has conditions.
There are there's a a mentor that I that I love, his name is Rick and he says life gives you life love is unconditional and life gives you conditions so you can learn how to love them.
So it's really about it's all unconditional love. Conditions are just a way to help you learn that which is unconditional.
Erin Patten (51:39)
Unconditional. Yeah.
Yes. Okay. And
Celinne (51:46)
Yeah.
Erin Patten (51:47)
the last one is you gotta finish this sentence. The fire taught me blank.
Celinne (52:00)
Love to love. The fire taught me to love.
Erin Patten (52:04)
Mm-hmm. Okay. That is it. So
Celinne (52:08)
good.
Erin Patten (52:09)
good. I just want to invite you to share with all of our listeners. Like again, if you ain't made it this far, y'all are really good. And you know, like, where can we find you? How how can we support the book and any other kind of like things on your heart that you feel like need to be said and shared?
Celinne (52:34)
So, where you can find me if you want to hear more from me and explore my offerings, either private or group, you can find all of the information at Celindacosta.com, one L two N's, just so you know. and you can also find me on Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook. It's all the same at Celine DeCosta.
for to support my book, I would encourage you to you can find them on my website or you can go directly to theburningground.com. you're going to want to purchase it through my website because you will get over $200 in bonuses when you purchase it through me. So you get a meditation, a soul alignment meditation that I actually take my private clients through. You're gonna get a reader's guide and lots of goodies that come through the website. So www.theburninground.com.
and things that are on my heart. Let's see. Let's let me let me go let me go in there and see what I what toy I'd like to pull out for you to close this out. so the piece that comes through is what I had shared about shame and the subtle ways that it tends to wrap around.
us and slowly suffocate us if we let it in ways that we don't even notice. And look, the invitation for you as we close out this conversation is this: there's no right or wrong way to do things.
You know, if maybe perhaps you're listening to this conversation and you might have thought to yourself, shit, I'm doing it wrong, or I should be dot dot dot doing this instead. I should be doing it this way. And my invitation for you is what if this podcast has crossed you today because your soul is calling in an expansion and a different way of thinking. And if that were the case, then the invitation for you is asking yourself, how can I make my life
Brighter, even if it's just 1% today.
Erin Patten (54:42)
Mm.
Celinne (54:43)
What is an action step that I can take? And knowing that this process of liberating ourselves, freeing ourselves to be who we're really here to be on a soul level, is a lifetime journey. And if you're committed to that lifetime journey, there's no start end, there's ways that you can speed it up and slow it down, but there's no right or wrong answer.
The best measuring stick really is how you feel most of the time. 51% of the time. How do you want to feel? Is it joy? Is it love? Is it bliss? And if that's your benchmark, then find the micro ways that you can make changes and change your thoughts, your actions, your emotions throughout the the days so that you are more that which you desire to feel than you're not. And just keep going.
And and allow that to be your benchmark, fifty one percent. And then when you hit fifty one percent, fifty five percent, sixty percent, sixty five percent, seventy percent. And can if you're c committed to this process, you will wake up one day and realize that eighty percent of the time you're feeling fucking amazing.
Erin Patten (55:52)
Yes. Yes. Well, I just wanna say thank you, sis, for your what your wisdom, your experience, your your joy, your optimism, and for joining me on my show. Because I have I got little goosebumps from the beginning to the end. We started with the goosebumps, we ended with the goosebumps because it has really been an honor.
To share space with you and time with you and really allow the communion here. and so I I really hope that those that are listening have really received the the intentionality and the the the the learnings, the blessings of of this conversation because we certainly feel it. And so I just want to say thank you.
Celinne (56:48)
Thank you. And
thank you for your beautiful, insightful questions and
Erin Patten (56:52)
Ha ha.
Celinne (56:52)
having me on. I really love this conversation.
Erin Patten (56:54)
Yes. Awesome.
And for all of you who are wondering how you can stay in touch with me, you can follow me at I am Erin Patton across social media. I am back active, y'all. Praise God. And also if you're interested in working with me in my divine alignment mentorship, you can go to my website, erinpatton.com, to learn more.
About my offerings. And of course, continue to tune in to my podcast. This is just the most fulfilling aspect of my journey is having these guest conversations and sharing my story with you all. So continue to tune in to the Meta Business Millennial Podcast. And I just wish you so much love, so much light until the next episode. Peace. Bye.
Celinne (57:37)
Beautiful.